View Full Version : Hunter's 3 beagles shot, killed in Pennsylvania
fisher16
11-03-2006, 07:42 AM
Hunter's 3 beagles shot, killed in Pennsylvania
By Karen Kane
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette — Oct. 30, 2006
<!--textOnly = true and inlineElements = true--><!-- insertinlineAd --><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD>PITTSBURGH — It was a day off work for Larry Nahay, to be spent in rustic climes with a few buddies and his faithful companions at his side. Minnie, Millie, and Maddy, purebred beagles who loved nothing better than a trek through the woods with their master, were as excited as ever.
Nahay and his troupe had landed in Loyalhanna Township, Westmoreland County, Pa. Since it's small game season, they were set on hunting rabbits.
Now, Nahay and the Pennsylvania State Police, as well as the Pennsylvania Game Commission, are hunting for game of the two-legged variety: the person who fired multiple shots at point-black range into Minnie, Millie and Maddy, killing the dogs.
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<!-- END INLINE UNIT -->"I just can't believe that something like this happened. I've been hunting since I was about 10 years old, and I never even heard of somebody doing something like this," said Nahay, 49.
State police confirmed that Nahay was lawfully hunting in a non-posted tract of woods on Oct. 27 when an unknown person used a handgun to slaughter the beagles.
Nahay is offering a $1,000 reward for the arrest and conviction of the killer. Likely charges to be filed are cruelty to animals and interfering with hunting, violations of the state crimes and games codes, respectively.
The hunting party had gotten permission to hunt in the woods earlier in the day from the farmer who owns the land.
"The guy was a relative of one of my friends," Nahay said.
Armed with 12-gauge shotguns, the group was in a valley when the dogs caught the trail of a rabbit. Baying and running, they pursued the trail up a hill while Nahay and his friends waited below.
All of a sudden, they heard the sounds of shots being fired: one, two, three, four, five, six, seven.
"We took off up the hill," he said.
As he was running toward the sound of the shots, Nahay realized that he was no longer hearing the characteristic baying of his dogs.
He began calling the animals: "Millie! Maddy! Minnie!"
Within minutes, he found the dogs dead, lying next to each other within a 10-foot bloody circle. But he saw no one around.
"Whoever did this murdered them. He slaughtered them. They were shot at point-blank range," he said.
Nahay said he was sure that the culprit couldn't have felt threatened by the animals.
"They were friendly," he said. "They were used to being around people. Heck, they don't even come up to the middle of your shins."
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Jackie-T
11-03-2006, 08:45 AM
I have herd it voiced fairly often by deer hunters that if they see dogs running in the forest during deer season they shoot them. Perhaps that is what happened. If you read the law I believe it says only if the dogs are threatening you are you allowed to kill them. Nowhere that I could find did it say a hunter has the right to shoot dogs he finds in the woods.Years ago I was out riding my white horse on my land with my collie dog Max when I met a hunter he told me he had every right to shoot my dog because it was running loose. Max was an obedience award winner and obeyed me perfectly coming to heel back left of my horse on the side away from the hunter . I informed the hunter he was trespassing and rode off.
Gary P
11-03-2006, 09:49 AM
I am sure they were just murdered by a pissed off hunter which is totally wrong, but if 3 dogs came barking up to me in the woods at full bore, I would shoot first, ask questions later.There has been a long battle with Amherst residents over keeping dogs on leashes in the park and wildlife trails throughout the town. The owners feel the dogs should be able to run free even though there is a leash law. During the summer I was at a small pond across from Echo hill and 2 large dogs came crashing through the bushes and I barely had time to jump in front of them as they scared the crap out of my 3 year old. The 2 owners shortly followed and said "sorry". If my kids were not with me, and I was packin, I would have shot them instantly, I was that startled. If you can't control your dog even when unleashed, you have no business owning dogs! The owners had no control over these dogs and now I understand why other people get p'd off. I love dogs, it's cats, I can't stand!
Sledneck
11-03-2006, 09:53 AM
It is a matter of dogs chasing deer. Whether is right or wrong is not my business, but many people will kill dogs that are chasing deer, game wardens and epo's as well.
Jackie-T
11-03-2006, 10:18 AM
Yes it is right to shoot dogs running deer. Not right to shoot dogs that may be accompanying their owners,even if you don't see the owners right away,keep in mind they may be there a ways on the other side of the dog where your bullet may go. Ususlay I can bluff an agressive dog into backing down and heck I am not that big. A stern No Bad dog usualy works,if not then a 2X4 or something like works.
fisher16
11-03-2006, 01:33 PM
I don't know the circumstances other than what the article states. Seems like he was hunting stock bird management area, and someone didn't like the dogs presence. If more infomation become available I'll post it up.
Garrick
11-03-2006, 01:34 PM
hey gary p, you touched on an issue that I've been thinking about lately. I walk my dog in a park by the city here. I've had a total of 4 dogs in my life and we trained all of them to be off the leash, but to stay close to us. The one I have now stays within 30 yards, no matter what, and I'm working on training him to come back to me if he sees someone before I do so that I can put the leash on him. Also, we stick to the less-traveled areas of the park. I've trained him that way both for his own safety and for the peace of mind of any joggers or other dogwalkers we come across. I think that the owners of the dogs who scared your daughter ought to be heavily fined for not controlling their dogs. If your dog isn't well-trained, it's downright irresponsible to EVER let him off the leash. Here's what Amherst ought to do: There's some kind of official certification called "the good citizen dog" The dog has to pass a test administered by vets or trainers (I think). The town ought to issue a large, visible special tag to dogs that pass the test, and their owners can put it on the collar when they want to walk the dog off leash. That way if someone is jogging or something they'll see the tag and won't be scared, and if police see a dog without the tag, it's a hefty fine for the owner.
Little story on the same subject: A buddy of mine was fisiting his folks in Georgia and went hunting with them. As he sitting on stand, a HUGE, ugly dog came up to him and just stered at him, hardcore. He thought it must be a wild dog, since they have a lot down there, he had his rifle ready to shoot if the dog attacked him, but was afraid to because if it wasn't wild, the owner might be nearby, and he didn't want to shoot some rednecks dog and then get killed himself for doing it. The dog harrassed him for awhile, but my friend just gave up hunting and walked away, The dog followed for awhile, but eventually left.
Little note to any dog owners who live out in the boonies: DON'T let your dogs roam during hunting season. Use a rope or whatever else it takes to keep the mutt out of the woods, or he will get shot on accident.
seabass
11-03-2006, 01:36 PM
thats the worst. Swear1 a large beagle is 25 - 30 lbs. you cant tell me that this guy/girl was in fear of them. one kick and there done! beagles are the worst barkers in the world - its hard to believe they were out there chasing dear so close to their owner. Swear1 Swear1 Swear1
Gary P
11-03-2006, 04:58 PM
hey Gotero, I read your post and at first thought it said "your buddy was fisting his folks in Ga," LOL!!!
amyways, I couldn't give a rats A$$ about what they do in Amherst, I don;t live there!. I appreciate that you have done the right thing by training your dog and yes, 1 good kick and a beagle is done!
Maineman17
11-04-2006, 12:04 PM
i dont care about any sized dog u dont unload on them no matter what the circumstances. I hope that guy does some major time for this.
knotreelly
11-04-2006, 06:27 PM
i have seen two beagles chasing a buck while i was in a tree bow hunting. i heard these dogs howling for a half hour as they kept getting closer. hunting off of 202, i wish it was during shot gun. seeing a deer running from dogs isn't a good sight either, follow the leash law or dig a hole.
Sledneck
11-06-2006, 08:42 AM
I am sure they were just murdered by a pissed off hunter which is totally wrong!
Great way to jump to conclusions and put a good name to all of us hunters. We REALLY appreciate that! Are you catching my stacrcasm? Because I am laying it on there pretty thick!Smashhead
Jackie-T
11-06-2006, 01:57 PM
I just re read the report it said the dogs where killed with a handgun that dosen't sound like a hunter to me. That sounds like a pot grower trying to keep people away from his product. I don't think the hunters continued hunting after the dogs where shot. I think the person who shot them figured the same thing. I am very fond of dogs always had at least one but they have all been obedience trained. And all are not allowed to run off my property.
YOTE BUSTER
11-06-2006, 10:06 PM
F.Y.I Shooting a dog is a felony.
Maineman17
11-07-2006, 07:08 PM
^
as it should be
bassman1965
11-08-2006, 03:35 AM
Some ass#@%$ killed them because they hate hunters!!! This isn't an accident or fear of beagles! I used beagles when I was younger and never met another who was terrified of such a small dog.
Keith
Fishstory
11-09-2006, 09:13 PM
I had a Golden that was the friendliest dog ever, one day in his own yard he walked up to a man who was cutting thru, tail wagging and the man kicked him in the chest, then the stomach. Anyway after the man left in the ambulance and I was bailed out of jail, I realized I made a big mistake, the man was still alive!!!
If I was in the woods hunting with my dog and another hunter shot him for whatever reason, I would without a doubt shoot the hunter or anti hunter!
Just my 2cents.......That story sounds like a intentional shooting, and I hope they find the killer...
antlerguy
12-22-2006, 11:39 PM
look fellow hunters, this is no longer the good old days of your grandpa, when the rule of dogs chasing deer was to shoot them. This is Massachusetts, where we are barely holding on to our hunting season and the land to hunt on. If you believe you are doing all of us a favor by shooting dogs, think again. That dog you just shot has an owner and for every dog shot its another black eye for the hunters in this state. Not to mention a very real possibility that the owner of that dog is now going to post his property. The question isn't whether the the dog is doing wrong. The question is, is it worth the risk of losing more land to hunt and damaging the reputation of all of us hunters. Please, unless a dog is a REAL possible threat to your well being, turn your head and let him pass.
seabass
12-22-2006, 11:59 PM
Agree1 good postThanks1 Beerchug
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