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Crazy Joe
04-05-2009, 11:05 AM
Another loser,kills police and lives.I would have shot this a-hole in the head.Now we are gonna waste al kinds of tax payer $$ for trials ect.

PITTSBURGH — A gunman wearing a bulletproof vest and armed with an assault rifle held police at bay for hours as their fallen officers were left bleeding nearby, their colleagues unable to reach them.
When it was over four hours later, three officers were dead and more than 100 rounds had been fired by SWAT teams and the gunman on the quiet Pittsburgh street, police said.
Saturday's slayings occurred just two weeks after four police officers were fatally shot in Oakland, Calif., in the deadliest day for U.S. law enforcement since Sept. 11, 2001.
"This is a solemn day and it's a very sad day in the city of Pittsburgh," Police Chief Nate Harper said. "We've seen this kind of violence happen in California. We never would think this kind of violence would happen in the city of Pittsburgh."
Richard Poplawski, 23, was charged with three counts of homicide, aggravated assault and a weapons violation. He had gunshot wounds in his legs but was otherwise unharmed because he was wearing a bulletproof vest, Harper said.
Poplawski opened fire on two officers responding to a 7 a.m. domestic violence call from Poplawski's mother, police said. Officers Paul Sciullo III, 37, and Stephen Mayhle, 29, were fatally shot in the head.
"It appears he was lying in wait for the officers," Harper said.
Eric Kelly, 41, a 14-year veteran of the force on his way home after completing his overnight shift heard the call for help and rushed to the scene. He also was shot and killed.
SWAT teams and other officers arrived and were also fired upon.
Don Sand, who lives across the street from Poplawski, said he was woken up by the sound of gunfire. Hunkering down behind a wall in his home, he saw the first two officers go down and then saw Kelly get shot.
"They couldn't get the scene secure enough to get to them. They were just lying there bleeding," Sand said. "By the time they secured the scene enough to get to them it was way too late."
Deputy Chief Paul Donaldson, who lives nearby, was one of the first officers to arrive. He saw Mayhle by a bush to the right of the door; Kelly was in the street.
Another officer, Timothy McManaway, who had been shot in the hand, was kneeling beside him, yelling that Kelly needed help.
Donaldson suggested using a police van to get them. They draped a bulletproof vest on the window to protect the driver and several officers got into the van to get Kelly and McManaway.
During this time, Poplawski was somehow distracted, Donaldson said.
"We were fortunate that he didn't fire on us. I don't know why he was distracted, but he apparently didn't see us coming down to get them," he said. "It could have been worse."
Poplawski had feared "the Obama gun ban that's on the way" and "didn't like our rights being infringed upon," said Edward Perkovic, his best friend.
Perkovic, 22, said he got a call at work from him in which he said, "Eddie, I am going to die today. ... Tell your family I love them and I love you."
Perkovic said: "I heard gunshots and he hung up. ... He sounded like he was in pain, like he got shot."
Poplawski had once tried to join the Marines, but was kicked out of boot camp after throwing a food tray at a drill sergeant, Perkovic said.
Another longtime friend, Aaron Vire, said Poplawski feared that President Barack Obama was going to take away his rights, though he said he "wasn't violently against Obama."
Vire, 23, said Poplawski once had an Internet talk show but that it wasn't successful. He said Poplawski owned an AK-47 rifle and several powerful handguns, including a .357 Magnum.
Obama has said he respects Americans' constitutional right to bear arms, but that he favors "common sense" gun laws. Gun rights advocates interpret that as meaning he would approve some curbs on assault and concealed weapons.
Poplawski had been laid off from his job at a glass factory earlier this year, said another friend, Joe DiMarco. DiMarco said he didn't know the name of the company, but knew his friend had been upset about it.

Joe
04-05-2009, 11:35 AM
Yup a bullet would have been alot cheaper than the three hots and a cot he will be getting for the rest of his life. I guess the body armor stopped the guy from being mortally wounded, he was only struck in the legs. Should have aimed for his femoral artery? Yuck1

Crestliner
04-05-2009, 12:32 PM
Want my opinion? The only to stop this kind of senseless tragedy is for all law abiding citizens to arm themselves and be ready to assume the role of "sheepdog". In every instance, if someone had been armed and prepared to protect themselves (and others), the death count would have been considerably less. JMO.

Joe
04-05-2009, 12:51 PM
This kid shot cops, not regular citizens. Guess what...the cops WERE ARMED and they were TRAINED to be ready to defend themselves and it made NO difference. Give me a break! This kid was using HIS OWN GUNS!! He WAS one of the law abiding citizens that owned guns. Before he killed those cops he was a law abiding, permit holding gun owner! Alot of good came out of it too. Eyeball Roller

kyle
04-05-2009, 01:39 PM
A lot of people have some serious mental problems in the world today. Someone who you might know real well, and is an overall good person, or "law abiding" as you would say, can just one day snap and examples like this are made. A lot of it comes from their past, repressed memories of childhood, neglect, depression, the economy, many things.

Scotty D
04-05-2009, 08:31 PM
unfortunatly with eh state of the economy right now we will see a lot more of these incidents

Joe
04-05-2009, 09:00 PM
A lot of people have some serious mental problems in the world today. Someone who you might know real well, and is an overall good person, or "law abiding" as you would say, can just one day snap and examples like this are made. A lot of it comes from their past, repressed memories of childhood, neglect, depression, the economy, many things.

Thanks for that Notsure

My point was Cresty's "solution" was no solution at all. The idea of citizens arming themselves for attacks like this is ridiculous. This kid was an armed citizen and he did the attacking. The "sheepdogs" as he put it were the police. Well trained, armed government officials always on the ready to protect not only themselves but an entire community. If these police didn't see it coming and were killed what the hell good would it do if the guy next door was packing? Nobody could have stopped this except the shooter and that's it.

woz
04-05-2009, 09:32 PM
I`ll agree with that 100%, just hope your not around when it happens.Think of all the shows on tv, 50% of them start off with a gruesome murder within the first 5 minutes of the start, most people like blodshed,because they seem to coming out with alot of these crime shows.People are fine with them till they turn real! A lot of people have some serious mental problems in the world today. Someone who you might know real well, and is an overall good person, or "law abiding" as you would say, can just one day snap and examples like this are made. A lot of it comes from their past, repressed memories of childhood, neglect, depression, the economy, many things.

Crestliner
04-06-2009, 07:20 AM
Thanks for that Notsure

My point was Cresty's "solution" was no solution at all. The idea of citizens arming themselves for attacks like this is ridiculous. This kid was an armed citizen and he did the attacking. The "sheepdogs" as he put it were the police. Well trained, armed government officials always on the ready to protect not only themselves but an entire community. If these police didn't see it coming and were killed what the hell good would it do if the guy next door was packing? Nobody could have stopped this except the shooter and that's it.
O.K.....so the solution then is to disarm the entire law abiding citizenry, right? This way, those policemen would still be alive, right? You need to get your head screwed on straight. When any man goes off the deep end, there is little anyone can do to stop the outcome. If he hadn't had his own weapons, he'd have got them some other way.

The fact is that this aberration (call it what it really is) of a single (law abiding!) <law abiding=""> <law abiding=""> citizen to go off the deep end and commit such an atrocious act is minuscule in comparison to the number committed by those not inclined to obtain firearms legally. As most law enforcement officers would agree.

Why don't you do something positive and go after the liberal judges who keep turning criminals loose on our streets. Where is that outcry? The focus is always on those who want to protect themselves instead of where it should be. Re-read Crazy Joe's post with the video of the woman testifying before a judicial panel. Did you view it?

As far as those policemen who died; no amount of training can prepare you to deal with a crazy person. They did what they were paid to do. I would have done no less. This situation could not have been prevented. To reject the idea that a lawfully armed citizen cannot be a benefit in a situation like this is just plain foolish. I'm not saying that in this case, that would have changed the outcome, but in many, it could have and hopefully will.
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Joe
04-06-2009, 07:41 AM
Don't put words in my mouth. I never said to disarm anybody. I said that arming all of the law abiding citizens is a ridiculous solution to this particular situation. I had no problem with this kid owning guns last week, today I wish he didn't have guns but you know what they say about hind sight. The police did what they could. My main point, which I have said three times now, is that armed citizens would not have stopped or solved this situation. If you can argue that then you must be my wife, she can argue anything the color of the sky :)

jbrumberg
04-06-2009, 07:51 AM
A lot of people have some serious mental problems in the world today. Someone who you might know real well, and is an overall good person, or "law abiding" as you would say, can just one day snap and examples like this are made. A lot of it comes from their past, repressed memories of childhood, neglect, depression, the economy, many things.

I worked in the human services for 30 years, saw a lot of "interesting" individuals, and I tend to agree with kyle. It is truly unfortunate that nowadays the "citizens" are generally better armed than the police Mad1 . My thoughts and prayers for the officers killed and wounded and those around them. Jay Sad1