green bullets

[Scotty D]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/03/04/green.bullets/index.html


this is a article today about the use of non lead bullets. i figured some of you may want to check it out.

[thesacredmuffin]

i really enjoyed that article. Im i totally agree with more eco friendly bullets, just i think copper isnt the best alternative but its a start that could lead to a better flying more eco friendly bullet.

i was thinking this morning (while laying on my buddies couch pretending to sleep) about what happens to fishing lines that get snagged on a log and just end up getting the line cut. i have cut a line and left 20 feet of line in the water attached to my lure. where does that go? does it affect fish? what about the lure?

[brookiemaster]

i really enjoyed that article. Im i totally agree with more eco friendly bullets, just i think copper isnt the best alternative but its a start that could lead to a better flying more eco friendly bullet.

i was thinking this morning (while laying on my buddies couch pretending to sleep) about what happens to fishing lines that get snagged on a log and just end up getting the line cut. i have cut a line and left 20 feet of line in the water attached to my lure. where does that go? does it affect fish? what about the lure?
no where.

[thesacredmuffin]

no where.

thats my point, all the years people have been fishing and all the lines everywhere that have been abandoned. They must affect somthing

[Toad]

thats my point, all the years people have been fishing and all the lines everywhere that have been abandoned. They must affect somthing

The loss of fishing line affects the bottom line of the fishing line manufacturers.

[thesacredmuffin]

The loss of fishing line affects the bottom line of the fishing line manufacturers.
can you elaborate about that. by bottom line do you mean sales? Notsure

[Crestliner]

Another way of undermining our shooting privileges IMO. Lead bullets are cheaper and have consistently proven themselves over many generations of avid hunters and shooters. If you flood the market with more expensive components, the cost of ammo will rise. It's already at a ridiculous level of expense. Keep up these so-called "improvements" and no one will be able to shoot anymore. Besides, I've very skeptical about the benefit, after having shot lead for over 40 years. This almost sounds like an earmark! Laughing1

[Toad]

Another way of undermining our shooting privileges IMO. Lead bullets are cheaper and have consistently proven themselves over many generations of avid hunters and shooters. If you flood the market with more expensive components, the cost of ammo will rise. It's already at a ridiculous level of expense. Keep up these so-called "improvements" and no one will be able to shoot anymore. Besides, I've very skeptical about the benefit, after having shot lead for over 40 years. This almost sounds like an earmark! Laughing1

Well said Mr. S. Agree1 Thumbsup The grand scheme is to eventually disarm America so governent can have it's way with us....especailly with this Administration and congress. Did you the Attorney General, Eria Holdyerfire, say that "the reinstitution of theassault weapons ban hear in America would help to quell the violence with the drug cartels down in Mexico?" I know what orifice he pulled that on out of. Unless you have a license from the feds no one can own an asault rifle. These guys don't know and cannot comprehend the difference between semi auto, and auto.

Yup...baning semi-auto weapons here in the US is going to stop gang members in the drug cartels from using fully automatic actual military weapons against the Mexican police, army and security forces right.

Suppose you were and idiot. Then suppose you were the Attorney General.....but I just repeated myself.

[Crestliner]

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[Scotty D]

we already have to shoot non lead over water and wetlands. seriously what would be the big deal about useing them elsewhere. especialy here in mass where we cant ese riffles. i have shot non lead bullets and did not see a diffrence. and in the articale it was hunters that were making the suggestions.

[Crestliner]

we already have to shoot non lead over water and wetlands. seriously what would be the big deal about useing them elsewhere. especialy here in mass where we cant ese riffles. i have shot non lead bullets and did not see a diffrence. and in the articale it was hunters that were making the suggestions.
Hmmmm....we can't use rifles here in MA? Laughing1 I've shot woodchucks for years with my .244 and my son & I shoot long range with the .300 WM. So I think you are mistaken there. If you were a reloader, you would know that the cost of these "green" bullets are about 40% higher than conventional bullets. Thereby increasing an already super-inflated ammo market. This is the same for steel vs lead shot in shotguns. I somewhat agree with the former, when hunting waterfowl (ducks & geese are bottom feeders), but I'm not totally convinced that consuming and pooping out a few lead pellets is going to harm the species.

You have to analyize the whole controversy and think hard on the agenda behind it. It's all in the "plan"! Smile1 That, you can take to the bank!

[Toad]

You have to analyize the whole controversy and think hard on the agenda behind it. It's all in the "plan"! Smile1 That, you can take to the bank!

Thumbsup Excellent response Mr. Cresty. I agree 100%. Agree1 Think any banks will be around in a year or two? Notsure

[grizbear13]

Thumbsup Excellent response Mr. Cresty. I agree 100%. Agree1 Think any banks will be around in a year or two? Notsure Yuck1Smashhead ONLY THE FED RESERVE. MachineGunMachineGunMachineGunMachineGun

[Crestliner]

Yeah, there's a thought Toad! The only bank I'll be putting my $ in is called my mattress. And this mattress has all the security it will ever need. Wink1

[Scotty D]

why must every post turn into a post about politics? i thought this was fishing and hunting website? no offense to you guys and your opinions but if you could please stick to the subjects at hand i would appreciate it.

[Crestliner]

Unfortunately, with the secular progressives coming at us every-which-way, it's hard to comply, Scott D. No criticism toward you, just the green bullets. I hope you understand.

[Capt.Shay]

There was a good article in Mass Wildlife last year called:
Vol. LVIII - No. 1, 2008

GETTING THE LEAD OUT ONE SINKER AT A TIME
- Joy Onash


It was all about lead alternatives for both fishing and hunting. Unfortunately, there is no PDF available for it. You would have to find it in print. One of the major points was that lead poisoning was determined to account for ~25 percent of adult loon fatalities.

I have begun to replace any of my small weights like split shot and barrel weights with steel. It really does perform on par with lead and is only a fraction more expensive so why not. Besides, it is required in some places like the Q and 'Chu.

If, and this is a big if, a non-carcinogenic substance could be found that performed equally and was in the same price range for ammunition, then why not stop dumping lead in to the ecosystem?

My $.02,

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[Toad]

There was a good article in Mass Wildlife last year called:
Vol. LVIII - No. 1, 2008

GETTING THE LEAD OUT ONE SINKER AT A TIME
- Joy Onash


It was all about lead alternatives for both fishing and hunting. Unfortunately, there is no PDF available for it. You would have to find it in print. One of the major points was that lead poisoning was determined to account for ~25 percent of adult loon fatalities.

I have begun to replace any of my small weights like split shot and barrel weights with steel. It really does perform on par with lead and is only a fraction more expensive so why not. Besides, it is required in some places like the Q and 'Chu.

If, and this is a big if, a non-carcinogenic substance could be found that performed equally and was in the same price range for ammunition, then why not stop dumping lead in to the ecosystem?

My $.02,

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Thanks Capt....well stated. What I highlighted in red above makes perfect sense.Thumbsup

[Scotty D]

the only problem i have found with non lead weights is the split shots. i find they dont hold as well. but that is all i buy now is non lead weights. and to cresty i do understand your frustrations, and dont worry i dont take anything to heart lol.